neuromore Studio Open Source Edition

BeatriceBBeatriceB Germany
edited November 2019 in Cyton
Hello everyone,

I am running my study based on EEG neurofeedback training of alpha suppression and I am using OpenBCI Cyton + Daisy board (at the moment with Gold Cup Electrodes, maybe soon with dry electrodes). I was interested to use Neuromore for the neruofeedback part. I have noticed that the free version is the "Neuromore Studio Community Edition". Does anyone know which are the basic features that are included in it? Is it possible to use it for alpha neurofeedback?

Thank you for your time and attention. :)

Best,
Beatrice

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  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA
    Beatrice, hi.

    The original neuromore supported the Cyton board, via the serial port interface. neuromore was available for a period of time, then withdrawn. It is anticipated that it may come back with support for more EEG devices, including Ganglion. See this thread,


    Also,


    Regards,

    William

  • BeatriceBBeatriceB Germany
    Dear William,

    Thank you for your reply.  I am using Cyton and I hope that Neuromore will become availble again...It seemed very cool for neurofeedback!

    Best,
    Beatrice
  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA
    Other neurofeedback options for Cyton and Ganglion: BioEra and BrainBay. BioEra is very well supported and actually much more full featured than neuromore. BioEra is the basis for many commercial neurofeedback packages.

    http://www.bioera.net

    Do a search on Bioexplorer to see that status, no idea if that will come through.
  • BeatriceBBeatriceB Germany
    Dear William,

    Thank you for your info. I tried to install BioEra on my Macbook but the link provided on the website (from OpenBCI 3D Party Software) is not accessible... Any suggestions?

    This was the link I am referring to:  http://dev.modern.ie/tools/vms/ 

    Let me know, please. Thank you for your time and patience.

    Best,
    Beatrice
  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA
    https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/

    I would advise caution if you are intending to purchase BioEra to run in a VM on Mac. You may want to check the BioEra forum or email with Jarek, the BioEra developer. I believe the 'free' VMs that Microsoft offers have an expiration date or time limit. Which means you would need to reinstall OS and BioEra periodically. The "one time install" version of BioEra may not support this. On the other hand, the BioEra that runs with a USB license dongle, may be what is recommended, since it is not limited to one install. But I don't even know if BioEra is fully compatible with usage via a VM.



    So, according to that last link, BioEra will run with a VM, but dongle is recommended. On that post, George Martin got it to work with the single install version. Which means he also must have purchased a Windows OS license so that he is NOT using the 'free' time limited VMs. Dongle is the way to go in my opinion, since you can use it on any machine.


    If you want the best compatibility with BioEra, run it on a native Windows laptop. If you search on Amazon for Windows laptops (such as HP) sorted by price low to high, you will see a range of acceptable machines less than $200.

    Regards,

    William


  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA
    Alpha suppression would also be easy to setup with BrainBay, which does run with Wine or virtual machines. And is free.


    See the circuit diagram there in the neurofeedback page. It rewards alpha and inhibits beta. You would just need to rewire for your experiment conditions.

  • BeatriceBBeatriceB Germany
    Dear William,

    Thank you for your kind reply and suggestions. I will have a look to it! Currently I am using LSL in Matlab (because I am connecting my cognitive task programmed with Psychtoolbox and neurofeedback), but I was open to explore other 3rd party softwares that match with OpenBCI (and maybe better than LSL).

    Thank you again for your time and patience.

    Best,
    Beatrice
  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA
    edited November 2019

    Just announced at the Transformative Technology Conference. Neuromore is open sourcing their Studio,

    https://www.neuromore.com/open-source
    https://github.com/neuromore/studio

    I see no releases are posted yet, but are expected shortly. They will likely have immediate Cyton support, since they had that in the past. Not sure when Ganglion will be available. If they plan to support LSL, then the GUI could stream that to neuromore. Actually, on second thought, neuromore I believe can import an OSC (Open Sound Control) stream, which the GUI can output.

    https://www.ttconf.org/

  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA

    Neuromore has now released the open source Studio. Both in ready to use executable apps and source code. Supported OSes are: Window, Mac, and Ubuntu. Currently supports Cyton serial port only. Instructions here:

    https://github.com/neuromore/studio
    https://github.com/neuromore/studio/tree/master/src/Engine/Devices [currently supported devices]
    https://www.neuromore.com/open-source

    Here is a note from Andrew Grosser:

    We published the final major piece of our #OpenSource brain technology today at neuromore. Please check it out. IT NOW WORKS ON MacOS. Lots of things still to do... But keen to get your input. New training videos coming next.
    Follow me to stay up to date:

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