Neuromore ability to interface with OpenBCI devices

Hello all! Hope everyone is having a great 2021. I've been exploring the Neuromore + OpenBCI integration for some neurofeedback and art projects, and I haven't been able to get the Cyton (without Daisy) device to register as connected.

I've tried following the troubleshooting steps here, but still to no avail. Is it at all related to upgrading to v5.0.2 of the OpenBCI_GUI? For some additional context, I'm running on the OS X on the Neuromore v1.4.7.

I've also opened the OpenBCI_GUI to confirm that the connection between my device is there, but for some reason is still not showing up in the Neuromore studio.

Wondering if anyone else has faced the same issue or can share any more debugging tips.

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  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA

    Michelle, I see you have already logged the issue on their Github,

    https://github.com/neuromore/studio/issues/74

    The only further steps might be emailing the developers directly, see lower right column.

    https://github.com/neuromore/studio

    Clint Banzhaf's site,

    https://banzhaf.pro/

    If you have access to a Windows machine, that might be worth a try. Their recent mods might have affected only macOS.

    William

  • Hi William,

    Thanks again for your speedy reply -- if there's nothing else I can do from my end in terms of debugging, I'll go ahead and reach out directly. Have you or anyone else in the community (open question to whoever sees this thread) tried Neuromore on Windows / has the connection been reliable in loading?

    If it works, I may just end up getting a Windows machine, as I've heard good things about BioEra as well, and saw your comment on cautioning against using a VM + OS X for that on a previous post.

    Michelle

  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA

    I have not used neuromore recently. Possibly Richard @retiutut has. Neuromore has been under a lot of flux over the past year. Many mods and upgrades / fixes / etc.

  • Gotcha - thanks for the tag. Their product looks great / intuitive from the test EEG data I've been feeding into it, so I'm hoping the problem will be fixed soon. Fingers crossed!

  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA

    If you want an update from Clint, please email him. I doubt he responds regularly to Github issue posts.

    In the far distant past, neuromore used to have a user support discussion forum. That has not reappeared after their revamp.

  • William, thanks for the tip - I've just emailed him and will keep you all updated on the reply.

  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA

    Andrew Grosser, who (I believe), is the primary developer / software manager at neuromore, just made this announcement on the NeuroTechX Slack. It looks like they are planning to replace the (years ago) previous neuromore support discussion forum. A really good move.

    dioptre 4:04 PM
    Looking for someone interested in building a community part-time around neuromore.com - please email me at [email protected] for more information if you are interested.

  • That's awesome - thanks for letting me know about the Slack / community, just joined :smile:

  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA

    Did you get a reply / response from Clint or Andrew, to your emailed question on Cyton?

  • Not yet, I've followed up with Clint, and have just emailed Andrew today -- will update the post when I hear back.

  • retiututretiutut Louisiana, USA

    I'm waiting to see BrainFlow implemented into Neuromore. I expect this to solve many problems, including adding support for Ganglion.

  • retiututretiutut Louisiana, USA
    edited January 14

    I've tried following the troubleshooting steps here, but still to no avail. Is it at all related to upgrading to v5.0.2 of the OpenBCI_GUI? For some additional context, I'm running on the OS X on the Neuromore v1.4.7.

    I've also opened the OpenBCI_GUI to confirm that the connection between my device is there, but for some reason is still not showing up in the Neuromore studio.

    Since the Cyton + Dongle uses a computer Serial Port, you can only access data from the Cyton with one process at a time. Example: Opening port with Arduino IDE serial monitor and leaving open won't allow the GUI to connect.

    GUI v5 uses BrainFlow, which has increased the reliability of connecting to Cyton across multiple programming languages and OS. :smile:

    Here is a community post with more info:
    https://openbci.com/community/brainflowqa/

  • Gotcha, thanks for the response @retiutut! I've tried establishing the connection through the OpenBCI GUI (just to make sure there were signals there), but then also tried quitting it and opening Neuromore to see if there was a connection.

    It seems like it's still in progress, but Andrew has responded and let me know that they are testing a release at present, and that it should be ready to review in a week or so.

  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA

    Andrew Grosser ('dioptre' on NeuroTechX Slack), just made this announcement:

    dioptre May 26th at 5:52 PM
    We just added support for OpenBCI (Cyton et al) via Andrey Parfenov’s great work at BrainFlow. Please download the new source to test with us. Beta will be released in the download section soon. https://www.neuromore.com/open-source

    dioptre May 26th at 5:53 PM
    In the meantime please download and build from source on Mac, Linux, Windows here https://github.com/neuromore/studio

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