difficulties with my Ganglion

wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA
This discussion was created from comments split from: Impedance check - All electrodes appear to be floating.

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  • @Amiya @biomurph @wjcroft
    I got the same problem. Any idea??
  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA
    edited February 2019
    Felipev, hi.

    What happens if you follow the exact steps in the tutorial?


    Regards,

    William

  • Thanks for fast answer. Yep i followed the steps with EMG and EEG but impedance check is always zero :/


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  • By the way i accidentally pressed the reset button when the Ganglion was Off. could it be related to this?
  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA
    It appears you may have this same issue, can you add some comments on that page, if so?


    MEANWHILE, other than the tutorial steps checking impedance, do your signal graphs look ok?

    Regards,

    William

  • Nop, they look erratic.
    Should i try buying a CSR dongle?

    Thanks!
  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA
    What happens when you connect all three electrodes together with a blob of electrode paste or clips? You should get close to zero microvolts. What electrodes are you using, where? Has this Ganglion ever worked correctly? NONE of the tutorial steps work for you??
  • felipevfelipev Chile
    edited February 2019
    Nothing, zero microvolts. I've tried with BrainBay and OpenViVE but they dont recognize the ganglion. maybe i'm doing something wrong with zadig's config?

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  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA
    I'm confused, the screen shot above shows BLED112 dongle selected. Yet now you say you are using Zadig with a CSR dongle. And another post you asked if you should purchase a CSR dongle.

    WHICH dongle do you have? When did you purchase? Has this Ganglion EVER worked on any computer?

    Do you get data streaming into the GUI when you connect as shown in the tutorials? When I mentioned the "zero microvolts" test, I meant that you should see data coming into the GUI, but the graphs  would show close to zero microvolts because all three leads are connected together.

    Have you seen some of these videos?


  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA
    Mentioning @felipev. I moved your question to this new thread, since it was not related to the "Impedance check - All electrodes appear to be floating." original thread you posted on.
  • felipevfelipev Chile
    edited February 2019
    I'm using BLED112 wich come included in Low-cost Biosensing Starter Kit. I received the order like 2 days ago.

    I tried the Ganglion only in my notebook (Lenovo 330S with Windows 10 1809), but tonight i'll test it in a MacBook

    I have no CSR dongle, that's why i asked if would be convenient to buy one considering this results -> https://github.com/OpenBCI/OpenBCI_GUI/issues/421 

    It seems that the BLED112 recognize the Ganglion but in GUI the signal is erratic and when i run Impedance Check is always zero.

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    This is how the GUI looks like

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    This is how Zadig Looks 

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    The BLED112 dongle in device Manager

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    A view of the Ganglion

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  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA
    Felipev, hi again.

    The impedance error you are seeing I already gave the issue link, it is being worked on and will be fixed soon,


    Since you have the BLED112 dongle, you should NOT be using Zadig at all. If you changed any drivers with Zadig, please try to reverse that. Windows has a feature called System Restore, where you can back out any operating system or driver changes. I'm sorry you encountered this confusion. The documentation is in the process of being revised to get the Zadig info into a deprecated section. Mentioning @techsupport, @openbci, @Conor.


    What are you using for electrodes? Are you able to do any of the steps in the tutorial and get signals that look ok? Your GUI picture looks like bad electrode connections, are you using the Ten20 electrode paste?


    Regards,

    William

  • felipevfelipev Chile
    edited February 2019
    The problem was the driver that i installed using Zadig. After the system restore all is working <3. Although the impedance check works only sometimes. Today i bought a CSR dongle and i run Impedance check with it and it works fine. I hope this get solved in the next update.

    By the way is there any tutorial that show how to use OpenVibe with the Ganglion using the LSL Widget in the GUI? I've trying all the evening but i had no luck :/

    Thanks!!
  • spagspag Sydney
    edited April 2019
    felipev
    What system did you restore as you mention? Win 10, Mac or driver?? I got Zero impedance problem
  • wjcroftwjcroft Mount Shasta, CA
    @spag, please see this issue on Github. Add any comments there.

  • mrmmrm Germany
    Hi support team, is there any news on this issue?

    Same problem here, using BLED112 from the OpenBCI shop. I tried on Win 10 (latest executable and processing) and Debian based MX Linux 18.2 (processing). Curves looked OK for ECG and muscle biosensing, EEG reacted to eye blinking, not sure how well we can judge signal quality from that. Impedance check announces successful start but runs forever displaying only 0.0 for all channels.

    I'm confused why your video above recommends a CSR dongle and the shop sells only BLED? Does it make sense to try using a CSR dongle? Can I just buy one from local sellers and this connects?
  • felipevfelipev Chile
    edited April 2019
    @spag @mrm

    Hey, in my case the impedance check never worked using the BLED112 -even in 4.1.0 beta-
    I had to buy a CSR Dongle in a local store which cost me like $5 USD and everything is perfect!

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    Good luck!

  • mrmmrm Germany
    Thanks @felipe !

    In the meantime I found that the impedance check using the same bled works fine on Brainbay. Might be interesting for @techsupport I guess
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